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Exasperated
22:51 21/04/12
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Dear Neville & Bs123: thanks so much for this thread. Good thing I checked out this Steve Clark & Orchard House on google before hiring them for our job. I found them through ServiceMagic.com. Thanks again. Was already scammed last year by a wood flooring company & would have been extremely gutted to be hoodwinked again.
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BS123
22:58 15/03/11
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 14:29 30/09/10 ...
Steve Clark at Orchard House Windows in Milton Keynes is still at it. Taking deposits and not delivering.
Can anyone remember how they got in contact with Orchard House Windows? I used an on line window quoter but can't find a record of it now. I am keen to let them know that he is a con man!
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BS123
14:29 30/09/10
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 20:29 28/09/10 ...
It's No. 74 (house name chestnut corner) - good luck.
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BS123
20:29 28/09/10
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The contact at Trading standards is R Cairncross 01908252504. Thay have already taken action to ensure future compliance so I hope they will have some influence.
I will get the house number for you tomorrow on my way home from work!
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JimandLin
9:24 28/09/10
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Thanks for that, it now gives us some hope however slim!! We would be so grateful if you could give us the house number as we live across in Buntingford, it's very kind of you to offer. My next call will be to Trading Standards as you suggest - every little helps. Steve Clark is a con man and appears to have no conscience!
At 20:14 27/09/10, BS123 wrote: | I did eventually get my money back form Stve Clark at Orchard House Windows but it took months of badgering.
He would never respond to email/telephone calls and the only time I got a positive response was when I knocked on his front door and confronted him. I understand he does this quite a lot and probably hopes people will eventually stop bothering.
Have you been round his house? His paperwork doesn't give a house number but it is on Cruickshank Grove in Crownhill, Milton Keynes. If you do go, his house is in the right hand corner of a group of houses set slightly back off of Cruickshank Grove (i'll happily drive past and get the house number if you need it).
It may also be worth calling Trading Standards. Apparently they have been in contact with him and whilst they didn't do much to help me recover the money, they may have enough of an effect to worry him into paying you.
I hope this helps and if you need anything else please ask. Steve Clark is a con-man and I am more than happy to help in any way to hopefully stop him carrying on. |
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BS123
20:14 27/09/10
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I did eventually get my money back form Stve Clark at Orchard House Windows but it took months of badgering.
He would never respond to email/telephone calls and the only time I got a positive response was when I knocked on his front door and confronted him. I understand he does this quite a lot and probably hopes people will eventually stop bothering.
Have you been round his house? His paperwork doesn't give a house number but it is on Cruickshank Grove in Crownhill, Milton Keynes. If you do go, his house is in the right hand corner of a group of houses set slightly back off of Cruickshank Grove (i'll happily drive past and get the house number if you need it).
It may also be worth calling Trading Standards. Apparently they have been in contact with him and whilst they didn't do much to help me recover the money, they may have enough of an effect to worry him into paying you.
I hope this helps and if you need anything else please ask. Steve Clark is a con-man and I am more than happy to help in any way to hopefully stop him carrying on.
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JimandLin
17:10 27/09/10
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Just wondered if your dispute with Orchard House Windows had been resolved? We unfortunately instructed them to replace our windows, paid a deposit (not the full amount thankfully) and now 5 mths later we have been told we can have our money back but nothing is forthcoming despite numerous emails - the phone calls are no longer responded to despite hanging on for ages.
Hope to hear from you - thanks!
At 23:02 15/12/09, BS123 wrote: | Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 12:15 11/11/09 ...
More promises to pay and another bounced cheque.......
Interestingly, I have had a letter from Trading Standards (I reported this ages ago) and they have asked me to complete a questionnaire regarding Orchard House Windows and asking if I would be prepared to go to court.
I obviously said yes!
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BS123
23:02 15/12/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 12:15 11/11/09 ...
More promises to pay and another bounced cheque.......
Interestingly, I have had a letter from Trading Standards (I reported this ages ago) and they have asked me to complete a questionnaire regarding Orchard House Windows and asking if I would be prepared to go to court.
I obviously said yes!
How are you getting on?
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BS123
12:15 11/11/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 10:08 11/11/09 ...
I too enjoy ringing and generally making a nuisance of myself, that's the only thing I can do, trading standards and IPWFI (who confirmed he was a member so my deposit should be safe) were of absolutely no use. I even called FENSA but as you say, they only seems interested if the work is poor.
I agree that he is actually robbing us. He did admit to me last time I visited that he never ordered my windows so therefore is not out of pocket on the deal.
I will visit again this weekend. I have no patience or goodwill left for this joker!
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Neville Kyme
10:08 11/11/09
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We're the same as you, we realy don't know what to do next, no organisation seems willing or able to help. If he had installed the windows but made a cr*p job of it, we could get a refund, but because he hasn't installed them we seem to be on our own.
We do have a stratagy for making him respond to calls which seems to work. As we believe he is monitoring calls and just not responding to "difficult" customers, we simply ring him every hour or so and let it ring out, he tends to only repond by text, but we do get a little satisfaction from the thought of him trying to ingnore the continually ringing phone.
We are extremely reluctant to let him get away with basically robbing us, but other than physical harm we're running out of ideas.
Let me know if he does buckle and refund you.
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BS123
21:02 10/11/09
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I was advised on Friday that he was waiting for funds to clear (apparently his bank takes longer than most) and money should be in on Monday/Tuesday.
Obviously I haven't been paid and he has not returned my calls/text.
There has definitely been CCJ's against the business (approx. �12k last time I looked) so I am unsure if court action will help but I am at a loss at what else to do.
I may pay him a visit again at the weekend!
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Neville Kyme
13:44 10/11/09
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Had another excuse for non payment, he promised faithfully that by the end of this week as last week, we'll definately have the money in our account.
I honestly don't believe he'll ever willingly pay us.
Our last real hope is through legal channels, but that is taking forever. I doubt ours is the first or only CCJ he's had against him or his company, so I'm guessing he's not to concerned.
How did you get on? anything from him?
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BS123
22:10 02/11/09
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I received a small payment with the promise of more when he completes his next job and gets paid (which apparently he did and he is now waiting for the cheque to clear).
I almost believe him but then remember he has had my money for 8 months! I have been promied payment by the end of this week.
Watch this space....!
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Neville Kyme
9:47 02/11/09
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Yet another deadline came and went. He hasn't even had the decency to lie to us this time. We've been told he is still trading, though we don't know if he's actually installing anything or just collecting deposits.
The legal wheels are still turning but very slowly, they insist on giving him weeks to respond, and now with the mail strike they're giving him even more time.
He obviously knows how to play the system.
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BS123
21:50 21/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 14:27 19/10/09 ...
Similar story for me, have had another cheque bounce and been told the same thing regarding payment. He called me today to say he had a cheque bounce on him so had no money and was off to see the bank to sort things out.
I told him (which is true) I borrowed the money to pay him so he could do the same!
I will be interested to see what happens regarding the legal process. I haven't started proceedings as it seems he won't pay anyway.
Excellent idea regarding Watchdog, I wasn't sure they would be interested but I may do the same!
I'll keep you posted too!
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Neville Kyme
14:27 19/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 21:41 14/10/09 ...
Well Friday came and went and we still haven't recieved any money from Orchard house Windows.
Mr Clarke did however call my wife within minutes of receiving a very curt e-mail threatening him with the baliffs. He told her "I'm really, really sorry for messing you around like this, but I will definately have cleared funds by Wednesday and I promise to put between �500-�1000 in your account on Wednesday or Thursday but definately by Friday." He owes us a lot more than the �1000, so we won't be holding our breath, we're confident it's yet another delaying tactic.
My problem with all of this, is where is he likely to get these "cleared funds"? I doubt he's actualy installing any replacement windows, as I'm sure he would have tried or a least offered to install ours by now if he had the ability. Which means he's probably scamming some other poor souls out of their hard earned cash. I trully can't believe there aren't lots more of us out there, ripping our hair out in frustration.
In the meantime we have started the legal wheels rolling again, this time including the Spalding office. This is the official head office of Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) and Mr Steven Clark is the only registered director as far as Companies House are concerened.
We've also lodged the case with the BBC's Watchdog programme.
I'll keep you updated with events.
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Neville Kyme
7:37 15/10/09
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The only Spalding address we have is as follows:
18 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE
PITCHBECK
SPALDING
LINCS
PE11 3TE
Company registration no. 06565499 - Registered at Companies House on 15/04/2008
As I said, when we contacted them they denied all knowledge of Mr Clarke.
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BS123
21:41 14/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 7:45 14/10/09 ...
I found it on a business database I have at work. It gives details of MD's etc. I'm sure it is the same company but they don't have the MK address registered. Do you have the address in Spalding?
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Neville Kyme
7:45 14/10/09
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My wife left a message for him yesterday, saying unless we have some or all of the money in our account by Friday 16.10.09 we will continue with the legal action. No response as yet, he has already been served by the court, the next stage is the Baliffs.
How did you find his connection with Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes)?
Our action is against Orchard House Windows at his Cruikshank Grove address. I'm wondering if we need to broaden it out to include the Spalding address.
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BS123
17:29 13/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 7:31 13/10/09 ...
Well..... I was told �400 (he owes me �1200) was sent via bacs on Thursday. It wasn't but a cheque for �400 was paid in today. I expect this to bounce.
Are you taking further legal action? I think I need to start some!
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Neville Kyme
7:31 13/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by BS123 at 11:20 06/10/09 ...
Surprise, surprise, no money. We have had a call though, promising to transfer the money on Friday, unfortunately he can't pay all that he owes, but he'll transfer what he can.
I think we've been here before.
Any news on your refund?
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BS123
11:20 06/10/09
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At 7:30 06/10/09, Neville Kyme wrote: | He called us yesterday, much to our surprise, he's decided to pay us direct and not through the courts, but it seems he's lost our bank details.
Threatening him with the baliffs seems to have re-focused his attention, and he promises to pay us by the middle of next week, where have I heared that before.
Still you have to hope don't you?
As you went to see him, I take it your money didn't materialise. |
No the money didn't materialise but I too have been promised payment. He promised payment by the end of this week (so I guess it will be clear by middle of next week).
Fingers crossed - i'll let you know what happens!
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Neville Kyme
7:30 06/10/09
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He called us yesterday, much to our surprise, he's decided to pay us direct and not through the courts, but it seems he's lost our bank details.
Threatening him with the baliffs seems to have re-focused his attention, and he promises to pay us by the middle of next week, where have I heared that before.
Still you have to hope don't you?
As you went to see him, I take it your money didn't materialise.
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BS123
19:45 05/10/09
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Re "Re: Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 7:39 05/10/09 ...
I also visited at the weekend and was promised payment this week. He seemed very apologetic but I have heard this before.
I'll keep you posted.
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Neville Kyme
7:39 05/10/09
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Interesting, when we rang Spalding they denied all knowledge.
We went to see him at his Cruickshank Grove home on Friday night. He was his usual apolgetic self and as we have issued a county court summonds, he insists he has 14 days to pay the court, and this will be done sometime this week. He also promised to call us today (Monday) to confirm the actual date.
I won't hold my breath.
He still insists that everyone, which means there must be a few of us, will be pai soon, if they haven't been already.
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BS123
16:37 02/10/09
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Re "Orchard House Windows" posted by Neville Kyme at 15:31 02/10/09 ...
The spalding address is definitely his - the MD is listed as Steve Clark and has an address of Cruickshank Grove in Milton Keynes.
I will be visiting them soon if it is not resolved.
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Neville Kyme
15:31 02/10/09
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Just found out that Mr Steven Clark used to front a company called Summit Windows Ltd and their address was
Summit Windows
Chestnut Corner
74 Cruickshank Grove
Milton Keynes
UK
His home address, apparantly they went under in 2008 with mutiple CSJ's outstanding.
Looks like he's been doing this for a while
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Neville Kyme
14:48 02/10/09
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Thats good about the money, if true. As far as I'm aware we haven't seen any as yet, but I live in hope. I'll keep you updated, though I do believe, this has a little further to run yet.
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BS123
14:17 02/10/09
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Re "" posted by Neville Kyme at 13:17 02/10/09 ...
The company in spalding also have a managing director called Steven Michael Clark - what a coincidence!
After my last post I had a phone call saying that the money had been transferred today. I have asked for confirmation that it has been transferred.
I also mentioned that I had heard of someone else experiencing the same problem and he said he has issued lots of refunds this week and as far as he was concerned everyone had been paid....... will be interesting to see what happens!
I am also pleased that we appear at number 3 on google if you enter Orchard House Windows. I hope we can prevent other people being stung.
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Neville Kyme
13:17 02/10/09
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The Spalding address is for another company, they don't or wont accept liability. Though I think two companies with the same name, in the same town is one hell of a coincidence.
Steve Clarke (I'm assuming it's the same guy) operates under the name Orchard House Windows and from his home at.
Chestnut Corner,
Cruickshank Grove,
Crownhill,
Milton Keynes,
MK8 0HG
Tel. No. 01908566665
Mob No. 07786544685
I think the number is either 64, 69 or 74 something like that, I can't remenber to be honest. but I could take you straight to his front door. It's set back from Cruickshank grove down a little cutting between two existing houses mid way between Robeson place and Garland Court. His is the house with the white UPVC double glazing (surprisingly), and he has a dog.
Have fun if your going to see him this wekend, I'll let you know the house number if I remember it.
I have a feeling there are more than one or two others out there merrily pulling their hair out with frustration. I also believe he's still taking orders, which is a worrying thought.
I like to think that I'm a reasonable judge of character, and would like to believe he is just a cr*p businessman. Though that's looking highly unlikely.
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BS123
12:37 02/10/09
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Re "" posted by Neville Kyme at 12:18 02/10/09 ...
He hasn't taken a call for ages and I can't leave messages but i do get a response via text sometimes (07786544685). I will be paying a visit to Cruickshank Grove this weekend so I will let you know if he is still there!
The registered address for Orchard House Windows is actually in Spalding. The address is:
18 Independence Drive
Pitchbeck
Spalding
Lincs.
PE11 3TE
I wonder how many other people have been scammed? By the way, I have found a window company that has restored my faith by agreeing to do my windows without taking a deposit. I have also received a letter confirming I have an insurance policy in place with them - that's how it should be done!
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Neville Kyme
12:18 02/10/09
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I'm assuming he is still lives in Cruickshank Grove and is taking your calls. We're at the point were we need to decide if we should send in the Baliffs, unfortunately this will add further costs, but perhaps it will shake him up a bit.
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Neville Kyme
12:09 02/10/09
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At 12:04 02/10/09, BS123 wrote: | Re "" posted by Neville Kyme at 8:42 02/10/09 ...
Thanks for your post, it sounds like we have had the same excuses and issues.
We have had 2 cheques and both bounced! He has just asked for my bank details so he can send some money I imagine to buy him some more time.
I will be taking action straight away as this now sounds like a complete scam.
I will keep you posted on what happens and would be grateful if you could do the same. |
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BS123
12:04 02/10/09
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Re "" posted by Neville Kyme at 8:42 02/10/09 ...
Thanks for your post, it sounds like we have had the same excuses and issues.
We have had 2 cheques and both bounced! He has just asked for my bank details so he can send some money I imagine to buy him some more time.
I will be taking action straight away as this now sounds like a complete scam.
I will keep you posted on what happens and would be grateful if you could do the same.
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Neville Kyme
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Your story closely follows our, in February 2009 we had an attempted break-in, so decided to change all of our old wooden framed windows and doors.
We had 3 quotes and being competetive we chose Ochard House Windows (Milton Keynes) mainly because they promised installation within 3-4 weeks, the others we 8-12 weeks. Reluctantly we agreed to pay the 40% deposit by cheque, we wanted to give him a credit card but he didn't have the facility, and as with you he gave us the insurance policy as security.
The following Monday Orchard House Windows sent around their surveyor and after measuring up he told us the windows would be fitted within 3 weeks. I contacted Steve Clark (the owner) a week before the due date to confirm, both of us work and it meant one of us taking time off so I wanted to be sure everything was in place. It was then the date began to slip, apparentley the given date was an approximation and not a firm start date. He was having problems with a large conservatory which was running over schedule but he antisipated starting our job the following week.
Then the excuses started, his main fitter had shingles, his mum was ill and he couldn't find a replacement for his main fitter, having recovered from shingles his main fitter left. He was struggling to get a new main fittter accredited, etc etc.
All of this time his phone was on voice mail, but he usually called back within the day of leaving a meassage. Giving us hope and belief that the work would begin and that he was just the unluckiest man alive.
Our patients finally ran out and like yourselves we wrote to Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) giving him a final installation date or our deposit back. No response.
We went to his premises of Orchard House Windows at Chestnut Corner, Cruickshank Grove, Crownhill, Milton Keynes, MK8 0HG and confrunted the owner Stev Clark. He promised the installation would start the following week, it never. Two wek slater and after numerous messages left on his phone we went to see him again, and this time he reluctantly agreed that due to his personal problems he would refund the deposit as soon as he had "cleared funds". A further two weeks later and even more messages, we visited him again, he stressed his financial problems but asked for our bank details and promised to transfer the deposit straight into our account within the next 5 working days. It never happened. We gave up leaving messages and went to the small claims court, who served him with notice, he's even failed to acknowledge that.
Like yourselves we are unsure if this is all an elaborate scam or the guy is just totaly inept.
My question to you is, did the cheque clear? and do you know of any others who are or have had dealings with Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes)
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BS123
13:27 12/09/09
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In March 2009 I got 3 companies to quote for new windows and doors. Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) came up with a competetive quote and I signed them up.
Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) asked for a 40% deposit but we agreed on 25% as this would be the amount covered by the insurance that he claimed to provide. We agreed on an installation date of between 4-5 weeks from date of order.
The date kept changing and I was given all sorts of excuses ranging from fitters being ill to bad weather and then Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) seemed to disappear and would not return my calls.
After a few weeks I became very concerned and called the insurance people who advised that I was not covered and that Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) did not have a policy with them anymore. I then wrote to Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) giving a final date for installation or a return of my deposit.
I received no response so I visited the address of Orchard House Windows in Milton Keynes and spoke directly to the owner of the business. He apologised and said they would start fitting the following week. Funnilly enough the excuses started again and it has now been 6 months since I originally placed the order.
I have now demanded my money back and Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) promised to send a cheque to me last week. This did not arrive and I have now been promised a cheque next week when "funds have cleared". It will be interesting to see if it turns up.
I am unsure whether I have been conned by Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) or if they are just a very unprofessional outfit that have no idea what they are doing. I would urge other people to avoid Orchard House Windows (Milton Keynes) at all costs.
Update 30/09/09 - I did receive a cheque but it bounced! I have just banked another one and will see what happens...
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